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Yips
« on: March 10, 2010, 02:29:39 pm »
What do you do if you have the yips? Quit? Bowl? Fish?

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Re: Yips
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 02:40:17 pm »
I concentrate on breathing and smooth tempo...and no thoughts of making or missing
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Re: Yips
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 02:45:53 pm »
What do you do if you have the yips?

Try and lag the first two…  :)

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Re: Yips
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 02:56:05 pm »
Buy a really expensive putter.  PM me on this.  I can help you out.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 03:04:10 pm »
What do you do if you have the yips?

Try and lag the first two…  :)

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Re: Yips
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 03:04:47 pm »
Buy a really expensive putter.  PM me on this.  I can help you out.

LOL The expensive putter isn't the issue LOL
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Re: Yips
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 04:16:50 pm »
Is it a yip or a choke?
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Re: Yips
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 04:18:17 pm »
Um, I pop straight up out of the putt almost before I even putt it!

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Bruce,

My last round was 37 putts and the round before was 34. I can't tell you the last time I had 34+ putts in a round.

Should I go to a belly or long? Try lefty(I am lefthanded but play right)
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Re: Yips
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 04:31:37 pm »
Go side-saddle.   ;)   :laugh:

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Re: Yips
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 04:32:15 pm »
LOL

Sam Snead baby!

Seriously, I am going to my local shop to try some left-handed putters out.

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Re: Yips
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 04:34:24 pm »
Hit short putts with one hand. Left hand first then the right. The true yips are rotational and there is almost always one hand as an offender.

If you don't see any problems with one hand or the other no yips then it is a choke. If it is a choke then all the usual advice on how to relax and control the tempo apply. For example I choke if I don't take the putter back far enough. The choke usually comes form try to steer the putter in a certain direction. I see chokes all the time that come from the advice to follow the ball into the hole.

Yips are medical and we need a change to by pass the offending muscles.

chokes are mental and fixable.

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Re: Yips
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 04:34:56 pm »
Maybe it's like the cure for the shanks.  Put all your change in your left pocket.  Put a tee behind your right ear.  Turn your hat around backwards.  And then just hit the damn ball!

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Re: Yips
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 04:36:22 pm »
The things I have read about this affliction suggest that the sufferer knows that putting is a simple task yet has a mind set that the consequences of failure are very serious. Consequently instead of concentrating on line and distance, he gets conscious of the movements he is about to make. Instead of making an automatic unified movement, the putt becomes a complicated issue of co-ordinating a series of separate movements.

The cure is to do whatever it takes to swing the putter on automatic. A set routine/ drill is one way, but do it without thinking. Another suggestions include thinking of something else during the putt, a complete change of putting method and thinking only of the line and target.  The general concensus is that is a problem of the mind which requires a different mind set.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 06:49:49 pm »
Another suggestion is thinking of something else during the putt . . .


This sheds some light on Tiger's putting prowess.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 07:10:52 pm »
Yips are medical and we need a change to by pass the offending muscles.

I agree with Bruce on this point. Change your stroke - try left hand low, the claw or a belly putter. Then build up your confidence in this new stroke by holing hundreds of 3 footers on the practice green.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2010, 09:30:09 pm »
Change grips........
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Re: Yips
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2010, 09:33:31 pm »
Go to the claw or pencil.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 09:51:56 pm »
I tried changing grips and changed the grips on both putters.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 06:34:07 am »
Claw or pencil is a good suggestion...
 
Serious question - hows your chipping game through this putting issue?
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Re: Yips
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 08:17:25 am »
The things I have read about this affliction suggest that the sufferer knows that putting is a simple task yet has a mind set that the consequences of failure are very serious. Consequently instead of concentrating on line and distance, he gets conscious of the movements he is about to make. Instead of making an automatic unified movement, the putt becomes a complicated issue of co-ordinating a series of separate movements.

The cure is to do whatever it takes to swing the putter on automatic. A set routine/ drill is one way, but do it without thinking. Another suggestions include thinking of something else during the putt, a complete change of putting method and thinking only of the line and target.  The general concensus is that is a problem of the mind which requires a different mind set.

 
    As someone who fights them with every type of putter there is, I believe this is the best explanation that I've ever heard put forth.  It describes my mind-set exactly.  They are very closely related to choking in my opinion.  The more I "want" a putt, the worse it is. 
 
    I use what would be considered either a very "upright" Belly putter, or a "short" long putter.  On longer putts, I will use the putter belly method.  Shorter putts, where I feel I have no chance of coming within six inches of the hole using a standard technique/grip, I use the Long putter method. 

    I agree with the others as far as getting a set routine and trying to take the mind out of it as much as possible.           
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Re: Yips
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 09:24:03 am »
Changing your point of visual focus is another way to fight the yips. Do you yip it when your eyes are closed?

The yips are rotational - check to see if you are shutting the putter on the backswing.

if you are there are two ways to address this.

1. Use it. Razaar has described a method that requires a hooded or closed to path (not target line) clubface. basically you can close the face on the backswing if you swing the putter inside out. HooK it.

2. Change it. One of the reasons the claw grip or variations of the claw works is because it makes it difficult to for the player to close the putter on the backswing. You get a true rotation rather than a manipulated one. This allows the body to work in a natural manner.

PM or call if you like. My mentor using PuttLab, Christian Marquardt, is a leading authority on functional dystonia. He has passed along some pretty useful information.

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Re: Yips
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 08:48:17 pm »
Fire your putter and put a new one in the rotation.

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Re: Yips
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 10:01:12 pm »
Fire your putter and put a new one in the rotation.

Doc


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Re: Yips
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 10:02:21 pm »
Guys,

I can't brag enough about Bruce. I talked to Bruce for atleast 40 minutes today and it was great! He's a super guy and knows the hell out of putting!

Thanks again Bruce!
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Re: Yips
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 10:58:27 pm »
Read  "Putting Out of Your Mind" by Dr. Bob Rotella and truely buy in to what you're reading
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Re: Yips
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2010, 09:17:29 pm »
On Sunday I played inter-club matchplay against a lad who had the yips.  I noticed it on the first hole when he missed a putt inside 3 feet. To make it worse, the greens had recently been renovated and were very slow and bumpy. I decided to make him putt anything outside a foot for the rest of the match. It was pretty painful to watch as he missed short putt after short putt. You are probably wondering where this is all leading.

Well towards the end of the match an incident occurred that reminded me of this thread. He played a shot out of turn which came to rest beside the hole. So to test my theory about the yips, I made him replay it. He wasn't a happy chappy and argued that I had given him a hand signal to play on, which I hadn't.  He did replay it and left the ball five feet short.  I could see he was fuming in anger either at me or himself  (most probably me) which was my intention anyway. He stepped up to the ball and just knocked it straight into the cup. I'll bet the ranch that he wasn't thinking mechanical thoughts when he made that putt.
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Re: Yips
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2010, 08:53:47 am »
HAHAHA

That's a great story.

I might have cured myself yesterday with a quick 4 holes after work!
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Re: Yips
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2010, 10:31:55 pm »
I posted a similar thread on another board and was chastised for even printing the Y word.  I saved myself by going to a version of the claw/saw grip about 5 years ago.  Though it only marginally improved my putting, it gave my mind a break especially when I almost wanted to quit a game I had played for 40 years.  However I have always wanted to move away from the claw to prove to myself I could.  One suggestion I received from my other posting was a book by Bob Rotella; "Putting Out of Your Mind".  Its a quick read and it has already started to pay dividends.  I have gone the past few rounds sans claw for the first time in years and have had some of my best putting rounds ever, including a great 20+ birdie foot putt on #17 at Pebble Beach last week.  Not saying it will cure everyone, but worth a look if you have struggled with those Y*#$ for years. I wish you good fortune and good luck.

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Re: Yips
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2010, 01:30:43 pm »
If you watch the Pat O'Brien's On Putting video there is an explpaination for the yips.  It is the change of the bottom of the arc on the takeaway.  When taking the putter head too low to the ground move the arc away from the ball and closer to your right foot (right handed player).  The natural reaction into impact is to break the wrist so you dont hit behind the ball.  Best drill for yips is to let the putter hang 4 inches behind the ball and 3 inches in the air to learn to swing the putter and hit the ball.  It works great as a practice drill.  Your ball speed will change because your centeredness of contact gets much better!!!

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Re: Yips
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2010, 08:06:36 pm »
The things I have read about this affliction suggest that the sufferer knows that putting is a simple task yet has a mind set that the consequences of failure are very serious. Consequently instead of concentrating on line and distance, he gets conscious of the movements he is about to make. Instead of making an automatic unified movement, the putt becomes a complicated issue of co-ordinating a series of separate movements.

The cure is to do whatever it takes to swing the putter on automatic. A set routine/ drill is one way, but do it without thinking. Another suggestions include thinking of something else during the putt, a complete change of putting method and thinking only of the line and target.  The general concensus is that is a problem of the mind which requires a different mind set.
one thing that helps with that training technique is to take a ticking clock to the green with you and practive 6 footers.... tick-back-tick-stop-tick-through

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Re: Yips
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2010, 08:11:35 pm »
On Sunday I played inter-club matchplay against a lad who had the yips.  I noticed it on the first hole when he missed a putt inside 3 feet. To make it worse, the greens had recently been renovated and were very slow and bumpy. I decided to make him putt anything outside a foot for the rest of the match. It was pretty painful to watch as he missed short putt after short putt. You are probably wondering where this is all leading.

Well towards the end of the match an incident occurred that reminded me of this thread. He played a shot out of turn which came to rest beside the hole. So to test my theory about the yips, I made him replay it. He wasn't a happy chappy and argued that I had given him a hand signal to play on, which I hadn't.  He did replay it and left the ball five feet short.  I could see he was fuming in anger either at me or himself  (most probably me) which was my intention anyway. He stepped up to the ball and just knocked it straight into the cup. I'll bet the ranch that he wasn't thinking mechanical thoughts when he made that putt.
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