Damascus Steel

[Putterfan13]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

[jr]

It would surprise me.

[Double Rods]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

[ASK3L]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

Drew, There are many patterns that can be made and with a little skill can be made to look better than the SC one.  It can be controlled by co-operating with the forger of the billet and using a little adaptation in the machining to set your billet to the required position. It's not Voodo magic. I don't understand how you have to go check with a metallurgist if you are as good a machinist as you point out.
  On that point, I commend Jr and the others for their interest and effort put in to trying to understand the material. I laugh at how you all think that by doing a little research and speaking to a few people you are suddenly experts on the subject. It is all part of the modern process control attempt to make everything a "process". Yet you don't even understand the basics and intricacies of metal production and working. All this heat after production and how it affects everything is all well and good but it sounds like the heat and treatment in the manufacturing process is nothing.
  All this hard spot/ soft spot/ welding/ heat treatment/ is true to an extent in the machining and working properties but in a slow speed impact with a "rubber ball" it is such a small factor. Not that it is all you guys fault but it is pushed by many of the manufacturers of putters, which is pretty much pure BS.
 OK, i'll stop the rant now but just to keep you up to speed, I'm talking as a time served machinist, 30+ years, original background included smelting, forging and manufacture of steel, progressing to machining in the nuclear and aerospace industries.
   OK, flame me, bar me, do whatever but please make an attempt to understand the reality of what i say and not what SC and others have brainwashed you all into beleiving.
  Cheers
Andy

[gnead]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

Drew,

The Cameron putter is Damascus the pattern is called Bluetounge,
If I had to guess I would bet it is stainless.

Gene

[Putterfan13]

It is stainless, the Chromatic Bronze does not work on Carbon putters.

[geogolf]

It is stainless, the Chromatic Bronze does not work on Carbon putters.

Correct.  Chromatic Bronze, as it is called. Is nothing more than a patina or coloring that happens at a certain high temperature.

[Double Rods]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

Drew,

The Cameron putter is Damascus the pattern is called Bluetounge,
If I had to guess I would bet it is stainless.

Gene

Got it. 

-Drew

[Double Rods]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

Drew, There are many patterns that can be made and with a little skill can be made to look better than the SC one.  It can be controlled by co-operating with the forger of the billet and using a little adaptation in the machining to set your billet to the required position. It's not Voodo magic. I don't understand how you have to go check with a metallurgist if you are as good a machinist as you point out.
  On that point, I commend Jr and the others for their interest and effort put in to trying to understand the material. I laugh at how you all think that by doing a little research and speaking to a few people you are suddenly experts on the subject. It is all part of the modern process control attempt to make everything a "process". Yet you don't even understand the basics and intricacies of metal production and working. All this heat after production and how it affects everything is all well and good but it sounds like the heat and treatment in the manufacturing process is nothing.
  All this hard spot/ soft spot/ welding/ heat treatment/ is true to an extent in the machining and working properties but in a slow speed impact with a "rubber ball" it is such a small factor. Not that it is all you guys fault but it is pushed by many of the manufacturers of putters, which is pretty much pure BS.
 OK, i'll stop the rant now but just to keep you up to speed, I'm talking as a time served machinist, 30+ years, original background included smelting, forging and manufacture of steel, progressing to machining in the nuclear and aerospace industries.
   OK, flame me, bar me, do whatever but please make an attempt to understand the reality of what i say and not what SC and others have brainwashed you all into beleiving.
  Cheers
Andy

Andy,

I've been in the oil tool machine shop business for about 20 years and I've never once procured or had to machine a Damascus-type steel.  The patterning of the metal seemed "thick" to me compared to the other patterns I've seen on knives and such.  I questioned the putter because Cameron has proven in the past that some things aren't as they seem. 

I'm glad we've reached a conclusion that it is in fact a type of steel and not some sort of plating/surface treatment mumbo jumbo. 

-Drew

[1-OFF GOLF]

JR,
   I can't wait to see your putters. You kind of let the cat outta the bag for some of us as to who's milling them. Should be incredible sticks ! Not trying to pick , but how many folds is that ? I don't like calling Scotty's damascus due to it only being what 8-10 folds, but that's just my opinion.

   Keep us posted as they progress, a new thread would be great.

Morgan

[jr]

I do not know how many layers it has, but it is a lot. Below is a blow up the edge of one of the blocks and a knife blade made from the same source.

[1-OFF GOLF]

 :w00t:That's beautiful damascus ! Do you know which metals were used ? It all isn't that bad until they throw "ball bearing" steel in the mix, eats up mills. Can't wait.

Morgan 

[golfer4life]

That is a very interesting blend of metals, I would not want a putter made out of it, but nevertheless, it is interesting to read about it.

Hector

[1-OFF GOLF]

That is a very interesting blend of metals, I would not want a putter made out of it, but nevertheless, it is interesting to read about it.

Hector

Come on Hector, you and I are E-friends at least. What don't you like, this is a discussion.

Thanks, Morgan

[Double Rods]

Callaway has a patent for making a club head out of "Damascene" material. 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?query_txt=damascene%20golf&sort=relevance

[1-OFF GOLF]

Callaway has a patent for making a club head out of "Damascene" material. 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?query_txt=damascene%20golf&sort=relevance

Read the patent. This concern has also already been addressed in this thread.
Thanks, Morgan

[Double Rods]

Callaway has a patent for making a club head out of "Damascene" material. 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?query_txt=damascene%20golf&sort=relevance

Read the patent. This concern has also already been addressed in this thread.
Thanks, Morgan

See that's the thing, I don't read threads before I post.  No wonder there are 3 forums were I'm not allowed to be a member anymore.

:lol: 

[ASK3L]

Andy,

I've been in the oil tool machine shop business for about 20 years and I've never once procured or had to machine a Damascus-type steel.  The patterning of the metal seemed "thick" to me compared to the other patterns I've seen on knives and such.  I questioned the putter because Cameron has proven in the past that some things aren't as they seem. 

I'm glad we've reached a conclusion that it is in fact a type of steel and not some sort of plating/surface treatment mumbo jumbo. 

-Drew

Drew, It's not just the damascas in the SC putter that seems "thick" around here at times :-)
Point taken you have not used it.
  Cheers
Andy

[Lngnokr71]

I still don't think the D009 pictured is actually made from Damascus.  The pattern looks a little too artistic and uniform.  Would it surprise you guys if these putters were faux finished? 

-Drew

No way they are not Damascus. The other putters still have the same looks.

Still not convinced. 

I purchase and machine exotic metals for a living.  Something doesn't seem right about the patterning.  Maybe I'll have my metallurgist at EMJ check out those pictures.  I hope I'm wrong.

-Drew

Maybe this will convince you. This is a pattern made in Sweden and it looks like the same pattern on the D009. www.damasteel.com

[Golfluvzme]

THAT SITE IS SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How could you possibly choose one pattern out of all that craziness! 
Holy Cow!

[1-OFF GOLF]

Only none available in billet dimensions. That was the snag that I ran into for more than a year. My guy has two new patterns coming out soon Gene Nead and I will both have putters coming in the new patterns. My latest Nead is so incredible ! The epoxy is setting and waiting for me to test roll her. More way exciting new damascus finishes coming very soon from Mr. Nead.

As the little brother says... Stay tuned !!

Morgan

[emde76]

[/quote]Maybe this will convince you. This is a pattern made in Sweden and it looks like the same pattern on the D009. www.damasteel.com[/quote]



Wow, that's a cool site. Whose putters are these?: http://www.damasteel.com/furthermore.html

[1-OFF GOLF]

 :w00t:
The epoxy set the other night before I had to hit the road. I don't know how to express how sweet the feel was. The first ball I rolled was a Noodle, it felt like I didn't hit the ball. The feel on a Black Max was crisper but way super soft. I have several copper putters and always thought that was as soft as you could get, not any more. The coolest thing is that there is the softness of the soft steel layers but compensated by the ultra hard layers.

No way to explain it more in words, you'll have to try one some day. I can't wait for my next two. One from Charlie Dix and one from the Bear (LaMont of Mann Krafted).

I get to go game her probably Friday, can't wait !!

Morgan